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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 14:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also good to note that a lot of the &quot;new music&quot; coming out is by people from backgrounds in folk, pop, indie etc using ideas from maybe going to college and learning classical music, or collaborating. The whole post-rock field is littered with people like this.

ie it&#039;s not just the old using popular music as a source for your thoroughly still-classical music thing, it&#039;s also a continuation of 70s art rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also good to note that a lot of the &#8220;new music&#8221; coming out is by people from backgrounds in folk, pop, indie etc using ideas from maybe going to college and learning classical music, or collaborating. The whole post-rock field is littered with people like this.</p>
<p>ie it&#8217;s not just the old using popular music as a source for your thoroughly still-classical music thing, it&#8217;s also a continuation of 70s art rock.</p>
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		<title>By: Pop-o-matic Trouble &#171; Matt Marks Music</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pop-o-matic Trouble &#171; Matt Marks Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his blog, Brian Sacawa highlighted a comment I made in his discussion of whether the &#8216;alt-classical&#8217; scene is a fad or not: IMO most of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I missed out of responding to last week&#039;s question about alt-classical as a fad. Back in July on Nico Muhly&#039;s blog there was an interesting discussion, which I did respond to, between him and Amanda Ameer about this idea of scenes surrounding certain kinds of music which might be relevant to your topic (http://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/scene-but-not-heard/). 

Also, back in November during my monthly Composer Salon, I discussed &#039;alt-classical&#039; or my more inclusive term for the zeitgeist, &#039;mixed music&#039; (http://numinousmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/mixed-music-stylistic-freedoms-in.html), as well as during a response to a discussion on Greg Sandow&#039;s blog (http://numinousmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/mixed-music-vs-alt-classical.html), so I won&#039;t repeat all of my thoughts here. 

But I will say that, I think the bigger trend now is how composers are now more interested in connecting with their listeners, by including them  and caring whether they are engaged with the music. and naturally giving them an &#039;in&#039; by incorporating sounds, structures, instruments that they are more familiar with from pop/rock music is one way to create that connection, which is wonderful. And sure for some people there is a certain amount of PR in all of this (nothing wrong with that). There is also a fair amount of showing one&#039;s hipsterness by declaring one&#039;s love of indie rock, with a &#039;hey, look at how meta and cool I am, by letting that rock influence come through my classical lens.&#039; And while I believe that composers in school and professionally are usually free to include any influences from the popular side of things in their work, I think there is still only a certain kind of indie pop/rock music that is deemed the &#039;right kind&#039; to incorporate into one&#039;s music. I wonder what would happen if some alt-classical type wrote a piece based on the music of Justin Beiber or Ke$ha? would they have to give up their &#039;cool kid&#039; card? Maybe not, I guess, if it sounded great but I&#039;m not so sure.

Will this movement create something lasting? I think Dennis DeSantis&#039;s comment about the only thing that matters is &quot;what the music sounds like&quot; is a good place to start. I do believe there are many mixed music works that will be long remembered although while much of the music is interesting to listen to (and much I really like), I often question does the music always really move or stir me on a visceral level? Do I really resonant with it? does it reach for something beyond just interesting? Do I LOVE it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed out of responding to last week&#8217;s question about alt-classical as a fad. Back in July on Nico Muhly&#8217;s blog there was an interesting discussion, which I did respond to, between him and Amanda Ameer about this idea of scenes surrounding certain kinds of music which might be relevant to your topic (<a href="http://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/scene-but-not-heard/" rel="nofollow">http://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/scene-but-not-heard/</a>). </p>
<p>Also, back in November during my monthly Composer Salon, I discussed &#8216;alt-classical&#8217; or my more inclusive term for the zeitgeist, &#8216;mixed music&#8217; (<a href="http://numinousmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/mixed-music-stylistic-freedoms-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://numinousmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/mixed-music-stylistic-freedoms-in.html</a>), as well as during a response to a discussion on Greg Sandow&#8217;s blog (<a href="http://numinousmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/mixed-music-vs-alt-classical.html" rel="nofollow">http://numinousmusic.blogspot.com/2009/11/mixed-music-vs-alt-classical.html</a>), so I won&#8217;t repeat all of my thoughts here. </p>
<p>But I will say that, I think the bigger trend now is how composers are now more interested in connecting with their listeners, by including them  and caring whether they are engaged with the music. and naturally giving them an &#8216;in&#8217; by incorporating sounds, structures, instruments that they are more familiar with from pop/rock music is one way to create that connection, which is wonderful. And sure for some people there is a certain amount of PR in all of this (nothing wrong with that). There is also a fair amount of showing one&#8217;s hipsterness by declaring one&#8217;s love of indie rock, with a &#8216;hey, look at how meta and cool I am, by letting that rock influence come through my classical lens.&#8217; And while I believe that composers in school and professionally are usually free to include any influences from the popular side of things in their work, I think there is still only a certain kind of indie pop/rock music that is deemed the &#8216;right kind&#8217; to incorporate into one&#8217;s music. I wonder what would happen if some alt-classical type wrote a piece based on the music of Justin Beiber or Ke$ha? would they have to give up their &#8216;cool kid&#8217; card? Maybe not, I guess, if it sounded great but I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
<p>Will this movement create something lasting? I think Dennis DeSantis&#8217;s comment about the only thing that matters is &#8220;what the music sounds like&#8221; is a good place to start. I do believe there are many mixed music works that will be long remembered although while much of the music is interesting to listen to (and much I really like), I often question does the music always really move or stir me on a visceral level? Do I really resonant with it? does it reach for something beyond just interesting? Do I LOVE it?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Spangler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Spangler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I was in school I definitely did experience a perpetuated conflict between &quot;purist&quot; modernism and the use of elements from pop music. One of my composition teachers in grad school particularly had an ideological beef with any music that had repetitive rhythm or was trance-inducing, and drew a connection with the militaristic music of fascism and its aim of undermining critical thought. The regular rhythm in Bach was apparently an exception to the rule.

At an earlier stage, when I was just starting to study composition, it did make sense for me to immerse myself in the techniques of modernism to the exclusion of more familiar influences that I had grown up with- for me it was about learning new modes of expression. By the end of my time as a student, however, it made more sense to integrate my various other influences- hip-hop, electronica, etc., to create more of a personal hybrid (my own voice). I wouldn&#039;t write the music I do now though, if I hadn&#039;t been on this whole journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I was in school I definitely did experience a perpetuated conflict between &#8220;purist&#8221; modernism and the use of elements from pop music. One of my composition teachers in grad school particularly had an ideological beef with any music that had repetitive rhythm or was trance-inducing, and drew a connection with the militaristic music of fascism and its aim of undermining critical thought. The regular rhythm in Bach was apparently an exception to the rule.</p>
<p>At an earlier stage, when I was just starting to study composition, it did make sense for me to immerse myself in the techniques of modernism to the exclusion of more familiar influences that I had grown up with- for me it was about learning new modes of expression. By the end of my time as a student, however, it made more sense to integrate my various other influences- hip-hop, electronica, etc., to create more of a personal hybrid (my own voice). I wouldn&#8217;t write the music I do now though, if I hadn&#8217;t been on this whole journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis DeSantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis DeSantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does &quot;classical rigor&quot; actually mean?

I&#039;ve heard this phrase thrown around for years, and the only consistent thing I can figure out is that the people who use it when referring to their own music are the same people who like to remind you that they write their music at a desk instead of at an instrument.

The only thing that&#039;s ever mattered about music - ever - is what it sounds like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does &#8220;classical rigor&#8221; actually mean?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard this phrase thrown around for years, and the only consistent thing I can figure out is that the people who use it when referring to their own music are the same people who like to remind you that they write their music at a desk instead of at an instrument.</p>
<p>The only thing that&#8217;s ever mattered about music &#8211; ever &#8211; is what it sounds like.</p>
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